Friday, June 29, 2012

Quebec and Canada

I am still want a united Canada, but apparently many others just don't care. Quebecers have long used the knife at the throat strategy towards Canada, so I am not surprised. Quebec is too easily "humiliated. I must also say that Quebec's culture of entitlement and rent seeking is hardly good for Canada. The funny thing is most in Quebec now understand that Quebec is too dependant to become an independent country. The first thing that an "independent" Quebec would do is demand federal representation, a say in Canadian monetary policy and of course foreign aid. Back in 1969, when six members of a young comedy troupe were mulling names for their new show on the BBC, the title Whither Canada? was suggested by one of the group. Wisely, the name was ditched it in favour of Monty Python’s Flying Circus (while retaining it as the title of the first episode of the first series). The initial attraction was, presumably, its absurdity – what could be of less interest than domestic Canadian politics and the constant French-English bickering? René Levesque had just been elected first leader of the newly formed Parti Québécois and Quebec was convulsed by disputes over language laws that culminated in Mr. Leveseque’s Bill 101 in 1977. The internecine squabbles may have seemed absurd to those beyond Canada’s shores but they were treated with deadly seriousness within the country. The threat of separation has long resulted in more than reasonable accommodation for Quebec. Even before Confederation, George Brown complained: “What has French Canadianism been denied? Nothing. It bars all it dislikes – it extorts all its demands and it grows insolent over its victories.” With an economically ascendant Quebec, there was a sense that the country needed the province to prosper. During the 1995 referendum campaign, there was strong support for keeping Quebec in Confederation, culminating in unity rallies funded by corporate Canada. But that was then. Has there ever been a time when Canadians outside Quebec have ever been more ambivalent about the possibility of the province separating? Unlikely, according to a new Ipsos Reid poll released Thursday, which suggests almost half (49%) of Canadians living outside Quebec agree they “don’t really care if Quebec separates.” The same number agreed “it’s not really a big deal” if the province leaves Canada. The Ipsos poll suggests Quebec support for sovereignty is higher than it was in 1999 (38% against 30%) but is lower than its high of 47% in 1990.


fernstalbert said...

Well Dr. Roy, times change - I used to care about Quebec and Confederation - sadly, I have moved on. There is no love in Quebec for Canada. So I say to Quebec - take your victimhood and enjoy your independance. The ROC will survive without you and all the expense that is required to keep you in the lifestyle that you cannot afford. We have had enough of the temper tantrum. Grow up and we will move out of the way. cheers

Thucydides said...

The political class in Quebec have spent generations using blackmail tactics to extract the maximum political and economic benefit from Canada without contributing more than the bare minimum back. (The people of Quebec should not be all tarred with the same brush, but after all, who supported the political class?)

Now that demographics and econoic power have shifted political power to the West, and it is possible to gain a majority without seeking seats in la Belle Provance; the Quebec political class is discovering their tried and true blackmail formulas no longer work.

Indeed, should Quebec vote for separation, they will immediately discover many people living in the province do not want to leave Canada, and Quebec will splinter along various fault lines until the only thing that is left is encompassed in the borders of historic "New France".

Canada can repudiate 25% of its national debt (roughly based on population) or up to 38% (based on historical benefits Quebec derived from Confederation), and at the same time, indulge in a massive round of national linkage projects of railways, pipelines, transmission corridors and highways across the reconstituted District of Ungava between Ontario and Labrador, then back down to the Maritimes. The US will insist any newly independent Quebec has no say in the International Seaway, so their isolation will be complete. Canada will also be off the hook for billions of dollars of equalization payments every year as well.

You could almost say it would be Win win situation for Canada, so Quebec politicians and voters should think very carefully before going ahead with blackmail threats. They might not like the answer they get or the consequences of their actions.

Sean M said...

Unfortunately, Quebec separation will never happen... too bad. The threat of separation was always an empty threat, simply a mechanism employed to extort money, power, while forcing historical revisionism and estrangement from Canada. The tribal threats coming from the french talkers of Quebec should have always been ignored, unfortunately, that didn't happen. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Canadians are finally waking up to the never ending blackmail and tribal bigotry of Quebec and are saying enough is enough. Go Quebec go, the sooner the better. At least then we could stop the preposterous, mythical pretense of "2 founding nations" and the constant catering to the special tribe of french talkers that has literally cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and counting. If Canada can be divided, then of course so can Quebec, no need to give up what is rightfully Canada's.

Anonymous said...

qubec can not leave soon enough for my liking. I am tired of their BS.

Rob C

Alain said...

Quebec would benefit from a lesson my late mother taught my as a small child. I cannot remember what it was I wanted and was told no, but I do recall saying I was leaving home. Naturally the idea was that my mother would give in, but surprise, she back a suitcase and placed it by the door saying it was my call. Needless to say I quickly came to my senses, since my bluff had been correctly called. The spoiled brat thing just did not work in our house.

Joseph said...

The irony in all of this is that the ROC now understands and knows what Quebec wants. What the advocates of perpetual greivance do not understand is that should Quebec ever attain separation, there will be a sudden realization of the down side.
Namely that if they changed their mind and wanted back in, the benefit package they get now would be drastically reduced to no more and no less than any other province. It would not be a resumption of business as usual.
The ones in Quebec that oppose separation are the ones that realize this now.

Joseph said...

Forgot to add that the only way they can leverage more out of ROC is if the next PM is a socialist from Quebec.
Doesn't matter if his name is Mucliar or Trudeau.
Currently the only way that can happen is if the next election results in a tory minority.

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